Here are my thoughts even though you probably don't care.
Gruden is overrated as a head coach. He couldn't get the job done in Oakland so he went to Tampa. He won a title in Tampa but it was with Dungy's players. So that proves that as a head coach he is marginal.
Offensively I don't see what is so special either though. I think he is probably an average coordinator at best.
I actually think college is the perfect place for Gruden because he is more of a hand's on coach. He would be better as an instructor and teacher than as a manager like a NFL head coach needs to be.
Ok but listen, He is 14 games over 500 he has 1 Super Bowl I NFC Title game an like 5 division titles... Oh yeah he was one game away in Oakland!! You could say his team made it thier and he beat with his new team!!!
WHO can get the job done thier!! AL Davis has to kick the bucket to turn that around! Sorry MIKE!! It is true! :) They do have a shut down corner now! IN MUWASABEEEE!! Somthing like that! JAHJHAJH!
I would roll the dice!!
Oh I won't argue that fact Pelle...Al Davis needs too stop the BS for this franchise too move forward or die..sounds bad I'm not a blind fool he needs too step down but he won't so I and the rest of diehards got too live with his non-sense...but as for Gruden Dude he is a awesome coach...we were 4-12 in the 1997 season. And he came in and turned it around immedatly and put up Back to back 8-8 seasons and could of been better if we had a good kicker then got us 2 divison titles and were the best rushing offense in the NFL 2 years out of 3 and knocked on the door for SB title twice his play calling was good and tricky...the knock on him is when the pressure was on he got way conservative like the snow game vs pats we had 2 3 and 1's and he couldn't get it done to seal the deal...ofcourse the call didn't help either but he had chances and didn't get it done. But he still in my opinon one of the top 10 coach's in the NFL!...I'd take him back in a heart beat!...he is a great HC period. He'll have no problem landing another job!..he's got class unlike Kiffin the ASS!.
I AGREE! If he went for it you win the game and the call never happen's!!
You can't get 1 F-ing yard in the NFL you don't deserve it!...but what can you do as a fan?..That game was the only game I shedded a tear on in 30 years of watching Raider football..that's why I get worked up about that game!. But Gruden is a great coach and will have more success, he gets the most out of every player on his team it's just the yelling thing only lasts for so long until these millionares tune him out,
So you guys don't think he has anything to prove? I know I am going to lose this arguement but I really feel like its going to be a lot harder for him to find a head coaching gig then you guys think and I think by becoming a coordinator and proving he can do it, it will be much easier for him to get another job and make more money!
You have a good point but he is a proven coach he won a SB for god sakes and has a winning record as a winning coach!..but he does have weakness too...but as a whole he is a very good coach that alot of teams would take him!..I think he could be a great off. Cordinator as well but that's like getting demoted and he won't do that after the kind of coin he made in TB...the Raiders would be the perfect situation for him this next season cause he's real good at devoloping QB's like Rich Gannon,Brad Johnson,Brian greaser,Jeff Garcia and would be perfect to devolop J. Russ of the Raiders..,but Al dosent do things logical anymore!.
How can you say that when his players are saying they didn't like playing for him??
They do for the first couple of years but like I said before the yelling thing gets old and these millionare PLAYERS tune him out and that's what happened in TB...look at his Overall record and it speaks for it self ...1 SB victory and 4-5 seasons of his career he missed the playoffs every other year he made it!..pretty good if you ask me...but like I said before his knock is can't wiln the BIG games under pressure he gets conservative.
your right as far as the yelling. It did work for a few years. But is that what you want in a coach? Someone who can do a decent job for the first 3-4 years and then you have to fire him? And I believe, but I might be wrong here, that he has only made the playoffs 3 of his 7 years in Tampa.
Ok so he went too the playoffs 5 out of 11 years almost half of his career with 2 different teams and 1 SB victory and 2 AFC/NFC championship games maybe more if the tuck rule doesn't exisit...I'd say that's pretty good better than a ton of coach's...your just bitter towards Gruden GM cause he beat you in the 02' championship game!. Admit it!
No. The Eagles are classic chokers and Tampa beat them. I don't hold animosity for teams that win a game.
Honestly I just think Gruden is slightly overrated as a coach. And I never said he shouldn't get another opportunity. ACTUALLY I voted with Pelle on this argument cause I don't think Gruden is a coordinator I think he is a coach. It just seems like you want to put him on the same level as the great coaches.
If I had my choice I would take Cowher, Shanahan, Holmgren, and a bunch of coordinators before I took Gruden. I just think his method is on a strict time table at any job. Like we agreed upon before...the screaming and yelling only works for a short time. So why would any team want a guy that you can pretty much count on him being done with your team in 4-5 years.
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